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	<description>老百姓記 -- a search for humanity in China (by bicycle)</description>
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		<title>By: Sunny</title>
		<link>http://www.portraitofanlbx.com/2010/02/the-belly-of-the-beast/comment-page-1/#comment-734</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 11:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very intriguing that the Japanese use the word Gaigoku 外国/Gaijin 外人 (the Japanese equivalent of 外國/老外) very casually too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very intriguing that the Japanese use the word Gaigoku 外国/Gaijin 外人 (the Japanese equivalent of 外國/老外) very casually too.</p>
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		<title>By: Lew Perin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lew Perin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Da Hong Pao&#039;s one of the most famous Chinese teas.  You could visit the place where it comes from in Wuyishan without leaving Fujian, but then you&#039;d have to break your vow of avoiding touristy venues!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Da Hong Pao&#8217;s one of the most famous Chinese teas.  You could visit the place where it comes from in Wuyishan without leaving Fujian, but then you&#8217;d have to break your vow of avoiding touristy venues!</p>
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		<title>By: flz</title>
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		<dc:creator>flz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>纳税人的钱就这样被这些公务员、干部们吃喝掉了。</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>纳税人的钱就这样被这些公务员、干部们吃喝掉了。</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 03:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lew, you&#039;re the best. You know, as we&#039;ve been going around to tons of tea houses in Xiamen tasting all the teas lately and getting a royal education, we even sampled some more fancy Da Hong Pao, and I never even thought to ask if it was red or oolong because of the &quot;hong&quot; in its name. Thanks for the correction and your devoted following!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lew, you&#8217;re the best. You know, as we&#8217;ve been going around to tons of tea houses in Xiamen tasting all the teas lately and getting a royal education, we even sampled some more fancy Da Hong Pao, and I never even thought to ask if it was red or oolong because of the &#8220;hong&#8221; in its name. Thanks for the correction and your devoted following!</p>
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		<title>By: Lew Perin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lew Perin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 19:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, the inevitable tea nitpick: while Da Hong Pao may be dark, it isn&#039;t black, it&#039;s oolong.

More importantly, that was a really good post.  I think you got the complexities of Wang&#039;s situation about as well as possible.  Hey, I depend on you for that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, the inevitable tea nitpick: while Da Hong Pao may be dark, it isn&#8217;t black, it&#8217;s oolong.</p>
<p>More importantly, that was a really good post.  I think you got the complexities of Wang&#8217;s situation about as well as possible.  Hey, I depend on you for that!</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terence, I&#039;ve known a few people named 汪 in a few different places, but it&#039;s far less common than 王. Yeah, I hear what you&#039;re saying about looking &quot;local.&quot; It&#039;s a curse and a blessing for us that we are obviously laowai, aka we usually draw a lot more attention than we want, but on the other hand we do get taken care of a lot because of it.

Joel, I&#039;m going to try to use more and more Chinese as time allows. Thanks for pumping us on your blog!

Brian, thanks for following our blog and for sharing your opinion, because what kind of a world would this be without freedom of opinions? I did appreciate the time we spent with old Wang, as he was downright jovial and really bent over backwards to show us a good time in the Chinese way (which in this case as it often is meant pushing it so far as to be unenjoyable, but I digress). I completely agree with your last sentence too. I tried to note that at the end of the post too, that he&#039;s just as much an LBX as the rice farmer we see out in the fields, except that he&#039;s landed where he is through different circumstances. When we were talking about biking or food or anything unrelated to politics, he was a hoot to converse with. For all I know, the average Spanish civil servant during the Great Inquisition might have been equally charming. What you call &quot;condescending&quot; is really just my reactions to projecting myself into his situation. I.e. it&#039;s the stuff of my nightmares to wake up one day near the age of 50 and be a low-level pawn in an autocratic system, stuck in a place I&#039;ve never been and where I know nobody, forced to do things I don&#039;t want to do with a smile on my face. Maybe living in a concrete box 5 days a week without his wife to impose abortions on women he doesn&#039;t know is his dream life, but that&#039;s not the impression I got from his tone (although, again, maybe that&#039;s because he was fighting a monster headache, so who knows). 

All that said, I disagree with you on two points. First, I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a &quot;trivial concept&quot; to believe that China is for some quasi-religions reason inherently better than the rest of the world while simultaneously also feeling guilty about green mountains with clean air because it&#039;s not developed enough. I can&#039;t imagine ever saying, &quot;the US is by the grace of God the center of the universe, except of course for all that dratted nature that really drags down our economy! Those Rocky Mountains and immigrant families having multiple children are our national shame, but in time we&#039;ll sort those problems out, except they aren&#039;t really problems because we&#039;re already the best!&quot; I just wish they could say, &quot;you know, you guys are ok, and we&#039;re ok too. We&#039;re both doing our thing, and neither of us is perfect.&quot; Instead it usually always ends up being more like, &quot;you know, I like you guys individually, but your place over there just won&#039;t do. Oh, no, I&#039;ve never been there myself, and really I&#039;ve only been in the one system in the one place my whole life, but I&#039;m 100% sure I know all about your place and ours anyway!&quot; For that matter, the whole reason we&#039;re on this trip is to find out &quot;the way it really is&quot; instead of being like most asshole foreigners who read the news and feel like they can summarily judge all Chinese with a wave of their hands. Maybe in a way you&#039;re right about most people not going insane over fundamental contradictions between what they&#039;re forced to say/do and what they probably believe is true (God knows enough Americans live in ignorant bliss, and I won&#039;t even get into my time in corporate America); so I should have said, &quot;that&#039;s the kind of contradiction that would drive ME insane.&quot; 

Second, I never said the guy was a dullard for not understanding this concept or that. Hell, I don&#039;t really get General Relativity myself, and he, of course, knew a lot about different subjects we knew nothing about. It just gets my goat to be lectured about the deficiencies of my home by a guy who&#039;s never been there, especially when all we had done was praise Fujian and China to him. At the end, I didn&#039;t think of him as stupid or evil. He&#039;s somebody&#039;s dad and somebody&#039;s husband, and more than that, he was more or less a nice guy. I just think his situation seemed really unpleasant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terence, I&#8217;ve known a few people named 汪 in a few different places, but it&#8217;s far less common than 王. Yeah, I hear what you&#8217;re saying about looking &#8220;local.&#8221; It&#8217;s a curse and a blessing for us that we are obviously laowai, aka we usually draw a lot more attention than we want, but on the other hand we do get taken care of a lot because of it.</p>
<p>Joel, I&#8217;m going to try to use more and more Chinese as time allows. Thanks for pumping us on your blog!</p>
<p>Brian, thanks for following our blog and for sharing your opinion, because what kind of a world would this be without freedom of opinions? I did appreciate the time we spent with old Wang, as he was downright jovial and really bent over backwards to show us a good time in the Chinese way (which in this case as it often is meant pushing it so far as to be unenjoyable, but I digress). I completely agree with your last sentence too. I tried to note that at the end of the post too, that he&#8217;s just as much an LBX as the rice farmer we see out in the fields, except that he&#8217;s landed where he is through different circumstances. When we were talking about biking or food or anything unrelated to politics, he was a hoot to converse with. For all I know, the average Spanish civil servant during the Great Inquisition might have been equally charming. What you call &#8220;condescending&#8221; is really just my reactions to projecting myself into his situation. I.e. it&#8217;s the stuff of my nightmares to wake up one day near the age of 50 and be a low-level pawn in an autocratic system, stuck in a place I&#8217;ve never been and where I know nobody, forced to do things I don&#8217;t want to do with a smile on my face. Maybe living in a concrete box 5 days a week without his wife to impose abortions on women he doesn&#8217;t know is his dream life, but that&#8217;s not the impression I got from his tone (although, again, maybe that&#8217;s because he was fighting a monster headache, so who knows). </p>
<p>All that said, I disagree with you on two points. First, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a &#8220;trivial concept&#8221; to believe that China is for some quasi-religions reason inherently better than the rest of the world while simultaneously also feeling guilty about green mountains with clean air because it&#8217;s not developed enough. I can&#8217;t imagine ever saying, &#8220;the US is by the grace of God the center of the universe, except of course for all that dratted nature that really drags down our economy! Those Rocky Mountains and immigrant families having multiple children are our national shame, but in time we&#8217;ll sort those problems out, except they aren&#8217;t really problems because we&#8217;re already the best!&#8221; I just wish they could say, &#8220;you know, you guys are ok, and we&#8217;re ok too. We&#8217;re both doing our thing, and neither of us is perfect.&#8221; Instead it usually always ends up being more like, &#8220;you know, I like you guys individually, but your place over there just won&#8217;t do. Oh, no, I&#8217;ve never been there myself, and really I&#8217;ve only been in the one system in the one place my whole life, but I&#8217;m 100% sure I know all about your place and ours anyway!&#8221; For that matter, the whole reason we&#8217;re on this trip is to find out &#8220;the way it really is&#8221; instead of being like most asshole foreigners who read the news and feel like they can summarily judge all Chinese with a wave of their hands. Maybe in a way you&#8217;re right about most people not going insane over fundamental contradictions between what they&#8217;re forced to say/do and what they probably believe is true (God knows enough Americans live in ignorant bliss, and I won&#8217;t even get into my time in corporate America); so I should have said, &#8220;that&#8217;s the kind of contradiction that would drive ME insane.&#8221; </p>
<p>Second, I never said the guy was a dullard for not understanding this concept or that. Hell, I don&#8217;t really get General Relativity myself, and he, of course, knew a lot about different subjects we knew nothing about. It just gets my goat to be lectured about the deficiencies of my home by a guy who&#8217;s never been there, especially when all we had done was praise Fujian and China to him. At the end, I didn&#8217;t think of him as stupid or evil. He&#8217;s somebody&#8217;s dad and somebody&#8217;s husband, and more than that, he was more or less a nice guy. I just think his situation seemed really unpleasant.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very engaging story and I like your blog a lot when it describes the unheard stories of &quot;LBXs&quot;. However, this came off to me as a very condescending piece. It is as if you are describing some naive and mentally feeble creature who can&#039;t handle the big concept that you possess, and so you, out of pity, decide to leave him with his own &quot;illusions&quot;. &quot;That’s the kind of conscience-shattering, fundamental contradiction that must drive people like him absolutely insane.&quot; Wow... They may not be as worldly as you travelers, but their mind is not so weak as to break down over trivial concepts. (People go crazy over strong emotional matter, such as all of their family dying, but they do not break down over concepts. Really, how many people have you heard got driven insane by General Relativity.) They obviously know that foreign country are more developed and richer than China. The boast of superiority comes from many different things, such as because they are talking to foreigners and want to have face or self-comfort of their own situations or even general drunkenness.

There is no need to view all governmental workers with inherent distrust and repulsion. On their own, they are just normal village people that you meet everyday in your trip. The whole is not sum of its parts, as in the government is bad, because the institutions are pieced together in a certain manner, not because each person is inherently evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very engaging story and I like your blog a lot when it describes the unheard stories of &#8220;LBXs&#8221;. However, this came off to me as a very condescending piece. It is as if you are describing some naive and mentally feeble creature who can&#8217;t handle the big concept that you possess, and so you, out of pity, decide to leave him with his own &#8220;illusions&#8221;. &#8220;That’s the kind of conscience-shattering, fundamental contradiction that must drive people like him absolutely insane.&#8221; Wow&#8230; They may not be as worldly as you travelers, but their mind is not so weak as to break down over trivial concepts. (People go crazy over strong emotional matter, such as all of their family dying, but they do not break down over concepts. Really, how many people have you heard got driven insane by General Relativity.) They obviously know that foreign country are more developed and richer than China. The boast of superiority comes from many different things, such as because they are talking to foreigners and want to have face or self-comfort of their own situations or even general drunkenness.</p>
<p>There is no need to view all governmental workers with inherent distrust and repulsion. On their own, they are just normal village people that you meet everyday in your trip. The whole is not sum of its parts, as in the government is bad, because the institutions are pieced together in a certain manner, not because each person is inherently evil.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love that you include Chinese in these stories!</description>
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		<title>By: Terence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great story - as a Chinese American travelling through China&#039;s backwoods I often miss out on these experiences, since everyone just figures that even though my passport and birthplace are in the US, my life is more similar to theirs than it would be to yours. 

The only thing that struck me is odd - he&#039;s wang with the 3 drops of water? I don&#039;t know that I&#039;ve ever seen that surname - Fujiannese?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great story &#8211; as a Chinese American travelling through China&#8217;s backwoods I often miss out on these experiences, since everyone just figures that even though my passport and birthplace are in the US, my life is more similar to theirs than it would be to yours. </p>
<p>The only thing that struck me is odd &#8211; he&#8217;s wang with the 3 drops of water? I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;ve ever seen that surname &#8211; Fujiannese?</p>
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